1. ” They could never, in their insulated lives with their pack mentality, imagine Britain having the courage to go it alone. They got that one very wrong, didn’t they?”

    A better interpretation of the events might be that German industry and most of the EU leaders has long wanted the UK gone. I watched the German news night for night before the summit. In all the coverage UNTIL ONE DAY BEFORE there was NO mention that there was any ‘British’ interest in the summit. Whilst the msm here were going on and on and on about ‘what deal will Cameron’ get, in a large part of the EU-not just Germany- there was no interest. Zero. Zilch, it didn’t figure on their radars. The summit was to be , as far the EU were concerned, about the environment.

    The night before the summit started there was finally a mention of the British …and very much with the insinuation that the other EU were rolling their eyes heavenward and thinking to themselves “Dave will you just fucking get on and leave?!”.

    Funny really, I was telling people here before the summit that the EU was not going to offer DC anything of real value and people wouldn’t believe me…all the same arguments the Brexshiteurs still trot out now: “the EU doesn’t want to lose us as a trading partner” (see Germany’s answer to Trump’s threats recently) or “BMW will still want to sell their cars here”.

    Anyone who now thinks that Juncker and co don’t want us gone , yesterday for favourite, hasn’t been paying attention. Juncker personally has been playing the ‘bad guy’ at PMT.May’s behest , hamming it up so much it is comical. He was even riffing on some fairly obscure minor German poets.

    • Blocked Dwarf,

      I do not sense any anti-British feeling among ordinary Europeans no matter which country they are from. As well as that, the UK buys more from the EU than it sells to it. British buying power would be sorely missed in Europe if trade tariffs made it unrealistic for the British to buy goods from there. I could see the British getting their backs up if they felt they were being wronged and then they might just passively do without those goods in favour of a solidarity with each other. That kind of unity is possible in a Nation State but a whole lot harder among many Nation States with differing interests. The EU is having difficulty even formulating a common approach to BREXIT and I have no doubt that if talks break down and the UK leaves anyway with no deal or agreement, then when the effect of that begin to felt around the continent, the EU countries will fight among themselves. Who knows, several might break ranks and do separate deals with London. I know if Ireland were severely affected that our lot would sneak over the water and do some kind of deal at Westminster and to hell with Brussels.

  2. There isn’t even much anti-british feeling among the EU leadership, although truth be told it would be justified. The British government have behaved appallingly. The EU may have slight issues coming up with a common approach -which is kinda the whole point of an EU- but that’s trying to get 27 sovereign governments to agree for you. PMT.May can’t even get her own cabinet to agree.

    “British buying power would be sorely missed in Europe if trade tariffs made it unrealistic for the British to buy goods from there” That is, according to my own ‘ins’ with German Industry, a bit of a Brexϟϟhiteur myth or as it was put to me by some ‘herr’ who actually knows about these things: “You think those Brits who can afford new BMWs are going to be put off by paying 4% more? Or that BMW won’t carry the 4 % for them?”

    Of course there is going to be a deal. The only question really is how much alimony the UK will have to pay.

    ” Ireland were severely affected that our lot would sneak over the water and do some kind of deal at Westminster and to hell with Brussels.” Of course they would…which should be impossible according to the Brexshiteurs as Ireland is not a sovereign independent nation.

    • I do not understand what you mean by, “The British government have behaved appallingly.” Their own people took a democratic vote to leave the Union and it has left May and the rest with uncertainty and confusion. Nor do I see any reason for the UK to be fined. They voluntarily joined a club, spent many years contributing to it and then decided to leave that club. Why a fine? The way I see it, if the EU decides to impose large tariffs and a trade war ensues, everyone will lose out. From an irish perspective too, the EU is speaking in forked tongues. In relation to the Irish Border they are assuming the obvious and that is, if crossing from Northern Ireland into the Republic represents leaving the UK to enter the EU, then there must be a hard border there. That is what May is being posed with. Then EU heavy weights come to Dublin and declared that there can be no hard Irish Border. It is duplicity pure and simple because we can’t have both. Added to that the EU proposal for a common taxation standard for Europe, a move that would rip the industrial heart out of Ireland, and you can see that we Irish have a lot of skin in the game. The UK is our largest single trading partner and the only other english-speaking country in Europe. It is also the one country we have the most in common with.
      It would make more sense to me if the EU chilled out a bit and worked with the UK to find an amiable solution for all sides that caused us all the minimum of disruption. Politics is the art of the possible after all.

      • It’s hard to know where to start when listing PMT.May’s appalling behaviour…maybe with appointing Bojo as Foreign Sec , full well knowing that the EU regards him as a liar for his claims during the plebis-cide? Or the fact that PMT.May refused to guarantee EU citizens rights, instead cynically trying to make it a tactic in negotiations -whilst pretending there was an ‘issue’ with reciprocal rights (the rights of non EU residents in the EU are set in stone and always have been). That upset a lot of people in the EU- I mean ‘normal’ people. Made May look like Erdogan. Fortunately the EU leaders slapped her down hard and made clear that that, ie people’s rights, was the single most important thing in the negotiations.

        I don’t recall anyone in the EU talking about ‘fining’ the UK -that sounds like Daily Xenophobe invective to me.

        I agree with you about Irish Situation though, the EU really needs to sit down and think about that one. I do hope the Irish aren’t placing any faith in PMT.May and her Brexit-bulldog …..

        • Boris may come across a bit eccentric but he is a highly intelligent and perceptive man. As regards EU citizen’s rights, there is no problem if you have a passport from an EU country but try passing security at a German airport with a non-EU one. It ain’t so easy. And if I remember correctly it was some EU figure who gloatingly wondered out loud, how the British will enjoy queueing with the Syrian refugees at Spanish airports. Perhaps such provocative comments did not get published in the UK but we got to read and hear them in Ireland. Frankly, I was taken aback at the vicious attacking of all things British by the EU when the vote was first announced and the veiled threats appeared to be going in one direction only.
          The point of my article though is to suggest that a soft landing is in EVERYONE’S interests.

  3. John you seem a very reasonable sort so i understand why you replied to the dwarf but do yourself a favour mate and don’t feed the trolls.

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